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========= C00LeS WaReZ UNiON * HiSToRiCaL mEmOiRZ * cHApTeR #0x79 =========
DaTE: 1996-08-19 aT 12:15
LoCATi0N: aTK-LUoKKA, LiETeVeDeN yLÄaSTE, LiEtEvEdEn KiRkOnKYLä, FiNLAND
PrESeNT: OH7MO (oUR ELiTE tEACHeR, mR.mEgAsTuFf's uNCLe)
CWU MEMBAHZ: mR.mEgAsTuFf * wArlord * DaRk FuCKeR *
dArK sTuFfEr * myXTer
+ sEvErAL LaMeRZ, aNd L8tER EvEN M0r3!!!
===========================================================================EERO:This hear rear computer's for me and Masa only!KIMMO:
Oh, s-sorry...OH7MO:
Has everbody already found seats for themself?SANNA:
Yeah...PIIA:
There's three of us here, and some others get to be pairs!!MILLA:
Yeah, so unfair!!MIKKO:
Why did we need to combine the groups? I reckon ye should've plenty of time for more classes...OH7MO:
We did reckon a bit aboot keepin' the old groups but then we decided to put the effort in the club activity.OH7MO:
After all, I'm only bein' paid for the computer classes for these two groups, and the rest I'm doin' for free -MIKAEL:
Why are ye keepin' the post as our computer teacher anyway? Arto would have the qualification!!OH7MO:
Arto has all the math and natural-science groups, and even biology now, so his workin' hours got already full from 'em...DaRK FuCKeR:
Ain't Tuula a teacher anymaw??OH7MO:
We've only got five permanent teachers in the junior high now, and then there's me helpin' with 'em computer thangs.MIKAEL:
It's gonna be six once Rauno gets outta his sickleave!!OH7MO:
Yeah, right, they couldna fire him because of the sickleave. In that case, the groups might change a bit, yeah.MIKAEL:
And the unqualified replacements would be fired!!ELINA:
Hey teacher, could we skip the break so we get home earlier?OH7MO:
Well, let's see -MIKAEL:
Rauno would've let us skip the break!OH7MO:
I'm just reckonin' aboot that we've got the computer club straight after the computer class...ELINA:
I wanna get home as quickly as I can, and not stay in some computer club!!MIKAEL:
Likewise!! Besides, I reckon everbody's already got better gear at home than these 386 flupumps!! It's useless to stay-EERO:
I reckon ye mean, evrebody's who's even interested in that stuff...MIKAEL:
Well, yeah, right.MIKKO:
Who's arrangin' the club?OH7MO:
I am, and the Hautataipale boys be helpin' with it...MIKAEL:
So, there's nobody there who even gets any modern-day computin'!!MIKKO:
Yeah, right!!OH7MO:
Don't debunk it yet...mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Listen to me now, our stuff in da club's gonna be so advanced that yar kinda Windows Pentium losers ain't even heard 'bout it!!wArlord:
Right, I don't reckon even Mikael's got a FIXED-LINE INTERNET CONNECTION at home, and we're gonna get one next month in this classroom...MIKAEL:
So, a fixed-line Internet connection, with these flupumps?? Pull the other one!! That'd actually require at least -mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Fuck's sake, a fixed Internet won't require nuffin' from a computer, if ya do yar stuff da ELiTE way instead of da lame way!dArK sTuFfEr:
Indeed. Even the resources of an Amiga 500 suffice excellently for the full-scale use of the Internet.MIKAEL:
Phew-ew, how clueless y'all are!!wArlord:
Yer tone's gonna change for sure, once ye get to try it yerself...MIKAEL:
I doubt that! Proper Internet requires at least Windows 95 and Internet Explorer three, too much for these flupumps to handle!!mR.mEgAsTuFf:
And what's da essential stuff for yar "proper Internet" in those shitsofts, ya fuckin' clown?MIKAEL:
All the modern WWW sites use frames and Java and ActiveX... the pages show all wrong if the browser doesn't support 'em!!MIKAEL:
In a 386 ye can only run some shitty Lynx, that doesn't even support pictures, not to mention any modern-day animated GIFs!!!mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Fuckin' clown, NO SELF-RESPECTIN' NET USER doesn't wanna look at some fuckin' puke-colored background pics!!dArK sTuFfEr:
The essential thing in the Internet is the information, and useless Java applets and GIF animations have zero information value.wArlord:
And I guess Mikael's mawdem makes ye wait many minutes while the "modern-day" sites load...MIKAEL:
Good and modern sites are always worth waitin' for!dArK sTuFfEr:
Actually it is more essential to finish the desired activities as quickly as possible and with minimal use of resources.MIKAEL:
That's just yer own super-old-fashioned opinion!!dArK sTuFfEr:
I intend to hold to my opinion to my death, as I think is the truth.MIKAEL:
Well, yer opinion would really change, if ye got once to try out the PROPER Internet with a PROPER Pentium!!mR.mEgAsTuFf:
And who even fuckin' voluntarily uses some fuckin' WWW? IRC, newsgroups and FTP are where da REAL DEAL is!MIKAEL:
Well, even IRC's dull and ancient compared to the modern Windows 95 programs such as MICROSOFT CHAT!!
jwArlord:
Bloody hell, mister Pentium expert... let's now stack up the facts, what makes yer MICROSOFT CHAT better than IRC?MIKAEL:
Well, first of all, ye ain't limited to some dull text, ye can chat graphically, in pictures...MIKAEL:
It's got a kinda cool comics mode, that's SURELY outta the reach of any 386!! If y'all only saw -mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Fuck's sake man, yar SUCH AN UNBELIEVABLE CLOWN, DAMMIT!!mR.mEgAsTuFf:
For real, ya think some COMICS MODE is cooler than some scriptin' features, bots or global server nets...dArK sTuFfEr:
I think you cannot say you have even tried the Internet properly, before you have spent at least 24 hours straight on the IRC.wArlord:
Yeah, the fixed net's a bit different thang from tryin' out some IRC or Netscape for an hour...DaRK FuCKeR:
Yeah, it's entirely different world with the fixed net, when ye don't hafta count the minutes!!OH7MO:
We were actually reckonin' aboot this with the headmaster, that a fixed Internet's a better investment than some processor upgrades.MIKKO:
So, y'all planned to upgrade these computers but y'all didn't?OH7MO:
Well, we planned aboot it a little bit but then thought we would be havin' to upgrade soon again if we took that route.OH7MO:
Fixed-line Internet would gives a ten-year lead to the other little villages, so we wouldn't need to do upgrades in that time -MIKAEL:
The headmaster should've asked Rauno or at least Arto first!OH7MO:
Arto was actually agreein' with me, and the town wouldn't even have the money to buy any Pentiums.MIKKO:
Ain't the fixed Internets a lot more expensive than Pentiums?OH7MO:
Well, I've got some relations with the Pielavesi phone company and some of my own know-how, but no such relations with Intel...OH7MO:
But if somebody of y'all wants to show us those Pentium multimedias at a class, yer freely allowed to bring yer computer here.DaRK FuCKeR:
For real??OH7MO:
Yeah, we tawked aboot this a bit too with Aarne.DaRK FuCKeR:
I'm gonna get a new computer for myself soon!! A hundred-megahertz 486!! It'd be so fun to bring it here!!dArK sTuFfEr:
In that case, I am going to bring my Amiga 1200 here in order to prove that many features are more important than the CPU clock rate.OH7MO:
And I guess Mikael would also like to bring his computer.MIKAEL:
Yeah, y'all would see a proper Windows at least once in yer lifetime!!mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Yeah, and ya would see at least one proper demo...OH7MO:
Yeah, y'all could like show us them demos y'all went to watch there at the Helsinki Assembly.mR.mEgAsTuFf:
We actually missed da democompo, 'cause we got such a terrible hangover in the morning, from the MAHTI kilju...wArlord:
Well, you missed it, I actually watched the PC demo too...mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Whatta fuck? Ya should've woken me up!!wArlord:
Well, I tried, but ye just mumbled sump'n there all passed out, and all the MAHTI members too ...mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Fuck's sake dammit!DaRK FuCKeR:
Hey, Osmo, can we get to turn the computers on already?OH7MO:
Oh, yeah, right, y'all can freely start 'em anytime, y'all got my permission...DaRK FuCKeR:
Yeah!!!OH7MO:
But speakin' of Assembly, I could tell a bit aboot what kinda curriculum I've been plannin' for this year.MIKAEL:
Ain't ye followin' the official curriculum??OH7MO:
The curriculums are school-specific. So, I've now got all the responsibility for the Lietevesi computer classes.MIKAEL:
Hey, this computer's got some problem! It dinna start bootin' up Windows...OH7MO:
Yeah, we took out the forced Windows start-up. Ye can always start it separetly if ye need it...MIKAEL:
So, our computer classes are gonna be pure DOS crap this year??OH7MO:
Well, we were plannin' to learn a bit aboot Unix too, once we get the Internet link first...MIKAEL:
Unix?!? Goodbye to modern days!!OH7MO:
I've got the kinda principle in teachin', that ye should concentrate on the stuff that's kept steady for a longer time.OH7MO:
DOS and Unix have kept practically same for them fifteen years, so they're surely gonna stay that way for the next fifteen years too...OH7MO:
Besides, once the fixed Internet gets more common in the future, it's prolly gonna make Unix more popular and forget the Windows.MIKAEL:
I don't believe that!OH7MO:
But afore we get to the Internet and Unix, we should properly learn the basics first.OH7MO:
We studied computer tech a bit last year, but this year we're plannin' to get a lot deeper than that.OH7MO:
Digital logic, assembly and machine language, Ethernet, IP and other network protocols...OH7MO:
Yer gonna learn the ways how the toughest computer experts use the computer!OH7MO:
Is everbody's computer already on?OH7MO:
So, let's type a command calledDEBUG
... David Echo Bravo Uniform Golf, and press enter...OH7MO:
A debug monitor is enough for the toughest computer experts. They can use it to build everthang they need...
...OH7MO:
So, show me what's y'all got in the memory, starting from 0100...OH7MO:
Not with U but with D, as in dump. We wanna see the strings...SANNA:
Oh, right. Ye mean like this?OH7MO:
Yeah... there's the string of yers in the memory, startin' right there at 0100, but ends with the dollar sign just as it should.OH7MO:
Is the machine code part startin' straight after that then?SANNA:
Well, I guess ye know better, 'cause ye gave the instructions...OH7MO:
Well, let's check it out then.OH7MO:
F, E, D, C, B, A... zero-one-one-A. Show me the U-dump startin' from the address zero-one-one-A.SANNA:
Okey...OH7MO:
So, there's it startin'. It's just the way it should, but the string start address is wrong...ELINA:
Ye said what?OH7MO:
That line, MOV DX, 0109...SANNA:
What's we gonna put there instead of it then?OH7MO:
Well, in what address did yer string start at?ELINA:
I ain't gettin' this stuff at all...SANNA:
Was it that 0100?OH7MO:
Exactly. So, y'all hafta rewrite the first machine-code instruction. D'y'all recall the command to write 'em there with?SANNA:
I don't recall...OH7MO:
It's A, followed with the address...SANNA:
Ye mean like this? A011A?OH7MO:
Right, just like that. And then give the new assembly instruction, MOV DX,0100.SANNA:
Like this ye mean?OH7MO:
Yeah.OH7MO:
And press enter another time to get back to the main mode...OH7MO:
And now it should start with the G command, if y'all start from the location of the MOV instruction...SANNA:
Like that? Gee equals 011A?OH7MO:
Yeah, just like that, now press enter.SANNA:
Now it worked right!!ELINA:
I still ain't gettin' nuffin aboot this...ELINA:
And besides, it's two o'clock already!! Ye should let us home already!!OH7MO:
Oh, right, the time's up already... Well, y'all can get out if y'all like.OH7MO:
But the computer club's gonna start after this! So, everbody who wants to continue learning the assembly language...OH7MO:
Oh, so it's only y'all now.wArlord:
Well, we might be gettin' some eight- or seven-graders here still...OH7MO:
But anyway! And I tried to make the class as interesting as possible...mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Well, so ya ACTUALLY tried to make the class INTERESTING, and then we're just twistin' some ASM with some fuckin' DEBUG.COM??OH7MO:
Well, I reckoned that Assembly would be hot among the youngsters, 'cause there were thousands in Helsinki at the convention -mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Assembly ain't a fuckin' asm codin' event dammit! At least nowadays...wArlord:
Well, I guess many of the folks there don't even know what asm coding is... it ain't hot stuff among today's youngsters anymaw.OH7MO:
Oh, well, so I guess I misunderstood sump'n then.mR.mEgAsTuFf:
It's all okay to teach asm, right, but there are much more advanced debuggers in the world than some fuckin' DEBUG!!OH7MO:
But DEBUG is simpler, 'cause there's nuffin' extra in it, easier to concentrate on the essentials...mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Fine job with da essentials then, ya wasted most of the time for explainin' how to read the memory and stuff!wArlord:
And the computers hung up all the time, when the folks forgot to put in that INT 20, or jumped to wrong places with the G command...OH7MO:
Well, at least it teaches ye strictness, when ye hafta rewrite everthang after a mistake! Back in the seventies, with Telmac -AARNE:
G'day to the classroom...OH7MO:
G'day.AARNE:
So, the computer club's startin' quite soon, or has it already started?OH7MO:
We're waitin' for the seventh and eighth graders, if there's somebody of 'em even comin'...AARNE:
Well, we're gonna see that soon.wArlord:
I'm a bit worried if they're even interested very much...mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Well, at least once we get the fixed net here, I guess da room would get full of all kindsa leechers!wArlord:
And IRCers...mR.mEgAsTuFf:
But dinna we fuckin' agree not to let them to IRC??OH7MO:
We agreed that they should make their own proggies for if they want it. From the driver and protocol level up, preferrably...wArlord:
Sounds quite utopistic, somebody bein' interested in that so much to go all that way up.OH7MO:
Right, I reckoned like that too. We should put a lot of effort to even keepin' the students interested in spendin' their time here...DaRK FuCKeR:
At least I wanna be here all the time!! At least once we get the fixed internet here!wArlord:
So, ye mean even after ye get yer over-the-top 486?DaRK FuCKeR:
Well, dunno aboot that really... I guess I'd be more excited aboot that better computer -dArK sTuFfEr:
"More powerful", not "better".DaRK FuCKeR:
Oh, yeah, right, more powerful...HENCCA:
So, this is the computer room then?OH7MO:
Yeah, please get in if y'all wanna be in the club...wArlord:
What's that y'all boys wanna do?HENCCA:
Sure they've got network cards? So that we can like play Quake in the network -mR.mEgAsTuFf:
WE AIN'T GONNA PLAY NO FUCKIN' QUAKE OR OTHER GAMES IN OUR CLUB, DAMMIT!!!JONETZU:
Fuck's sake, these computers wouldn't even run Quake, they look like a bunch of flupumps!!TEMETZU:
And fuckin' DOS in all of 'em!! I bet they're some twenty-megahertz PIECES OF SHIT!!HENCCA:
Yeah, let's get out, we can't do no sensible stuff here.VIHTORI:
Ain't y'all interested in that fixed internet even??HENCCA:
Them flupumps ain't worth nuffin' in the internet, no matter how fixed it is!!!TEMETZU:
Yeah, right!!OH7MO:
...wArlord:
Right, so much for that hope for the future.mR.mEgAsTuFf:
They've surely listened Mikael's propaganda carefully, dammit...VIHTORI:
They feel like quite hopeless cases, but they've been the only ones so far who've been even slightly interested...wArlord:
The nature of lameness is really gotten quite different.mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Yeah, we never had that kinda prejudices in da seventh grade!!dArK sTuFfEr:
Not indeed. We now have to spend plenty of resources in overcoming the prejudices of the modern youth.dArK sTuFfEr:
Giving them a path for self-improvement is not enough. We should also actively show them the light.DaRK FuCKeR:
Yeah! We could like show all kindsa demos to them, and stuff!!wArlord:
It'd of course be the best to show them from a big screen and big speakers...DaRK FuCKeR:
Yeah, that'd really show 'em where the chicken pees from!!mR.mEgAsTuFf:
So d'ya mean we should fuckin' organize a fuckin' party for 'em, damit??wArlord:
No, just have a kinda hour-or-two screenin' of some tough demos...mR.mEgAsTuFf:
That'd be a helluva job to haul some projector and amp and some man-sized speakers in just for some two-hour demoshow!!mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Especially if nobody even came there after Mikael had made everybody believe that demos are total crap!AARNE:
Well, if y'all wanna so sump'n to the whole school, then that could even work from within the mandatory curriculum...dArK sTuFfEr:
It would be very alarming if people did not voluntarily attend our educational event.mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Well, my minimum requireent is that if we ever do something like that, it's gotta be MANDATORY for the WHOLE SCHOOL, dammit!!AARNE:
I guess 'em computer graphics could best fit in with the art curriculum...mR.mEgAsTuFf:
But I'd rather organize a whole-weekend party than have that kinda effort just for some local lamers!dArK sTuFfEr:
Affirmative. We could organise the party primarily for the scene, so we would not have to concentrate on the lameness of the locals.dArK sTuFfEr:
Local lamers would visit the party anyway, at least if we gave them the chance to connect their computers to a local area network.mR.mEgAsTuFf:
WHATTA FUCK!? WE AIN'T GONNA HAVE A FUCKIN' LAN IN OUR PARTY, DAMMIT!!wArlord:
I'd prefer to drop the LAN myself, but that'd be only way to get some of the Wintendo gang in the party...DaRK FuCKeR:
Could we also connect the LAN to the Internet? Like, from that CWUnet link of ours?mR.mEgAsTuFf:
WE ESPECIALLY AIN'T FUCKIN' GONNA SPOIL CWUNET'S FAME DAMMIT!!DaRK FuCKeR:
Heck, I reckon that'd be the toughest thang ever!! Not even all city-dweller parties got a fixed net!!dArK sTuFfEr:
Maybe we could only allow external connections to a few specific ports.wArlord:
Ye could always do workaround, like by puttin' a proxy on some shell machine...dArK sTuFfEr:
But that requires specific skill and would therefore encourage the lamers to acquire it.wArlord:
Yeah, well, right.AARNE:
We've already used all of our available money for this school year. We should arrange some more from the town council...wArlord:
I guess we could cover the expenses with entrance fees? It's usually sump'n like fifty or hundred marks for the weekend at parties.AARNE:
We should still borrow some money from the council. But at least we could sell that idea to them much more easily.wArlord:
Yeah, ye absolutely should say many times over that the party's gonna pay itself back many times, to convince the Centre members.mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Da adults in da town surely got da money for that, 'coz they're buyin' Pentiums for their kids and all...dArK sTuFfEr:
But what if a child from a poor family would like to visit the party?mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Well, maybe we should make it free to just watch da compos, but if ya wanna in earlier or with yar computer ya'd hafta pay.dArK sTuFfEr:
This sounds like a working solution to me.wArlord:
But the entrance fees should be like at real parties, to get some proper prize money from the extras.mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Yeah, it'd be kewl to have some Cyrbion or Doomrapers and other tuff crews there, reachin' for da compo money.dArK sTuFfEr:
Indeed. Local lamers would feel so insignificant compared to them that their motivation for self-improvement would get a real boost.mR.mEgAsTuFf:
Right! This is actually startin' to sound like a damn good idea!AARNE:
I'm not really gettin' what y'all plan to arrange, but I guess Osmo can explain it to me in the adult language.OH7MO:
Well, I can of course try.DaRK FuCKeR:
YEAAHH!! WE'RE GONNA ORGANIZE OUR OWN DEMOPARTY!! IN LIETEVESI!! THIS IS SO EXCITING!!!!
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