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--==oO==-- cHAOS wORLD uNKNOWN -[]- history file #0x62 --==Oo==--
date .......... fri 1996-01-19 at 22:15
location ...... juhla 3.1415926 partyplace, nearby park
present ....... kHanatik / cHAOS wORLD uNKNOWN
wArlord / cHAOS wORLD uNKNOWN
mR.mEgAsTuFf / cHAOS wORLD uNKNOWN
wHitedodge / cHAOS wORLD uNKNOWN
mAkaron / cHAOS wORLD uNKNOWN
DiCKiNSTASiA / cHAOS wORLD uNKNOWN
"masa" (formerly MoTHeR WaNKeR / C00LeS WaReZ UNiON)
and some members of the jokegroup "mahti"--==oO==-- --==Oo==-- --==oO==-- --==Oo==-- --==oO==-- --==Oo==--
MASA: Howdy-ho, so y'all came here after all.
kHanatik: Greetings.
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: So, here's them CWU fellas now?
MASA: They're there, righty-right.
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: I first wanna praise y'all that y'all be da kilju masters of da scene!!
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: We've been usin' that there HPA kilju recipe y'all been released and it gives helluva good kiljus!!
kHanatik: It's a recipe written by wArlord, ultimately originating from his grandfather.
wArlord: Right that...
PORKKALA: We've spread it to all of our local boards. It's good that we get more of that kinda traditional lore online.
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: Them there fake captures are also fuckin' tuff that y'all been makin'!
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: It's good to make that kinda over-da-top parody fakes so all da capturemaker clowns notice how clowny bunch they be!
mR.mEgAsTuFf: Who're ya, by da way?
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: Our crew's called MAHTI... I'm MÄRKÄKYRPÄ and there's PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ, PORKKALA and YRJÖMESTARI.
MASA: And I'm PULIUKKO.
wArlord: So, ya then joined a crew, man.
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: Da rest of y'all could also join da crew at some point.
wHitedodge: But we're already in a crew!!
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: The cream of the scene are MAHTI members in secret... or especially the ones who're too good to join HiRMU.
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: And we're also a really tuff crew for real, we just entered sump'n like twenty prods to da PC compos.
wArlord: Twenty!?!?
YRJÖMESTARI: We got twenty kilju-boozings last year home in Vuolenkoski, and we made a demo at each of 'em.
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: And some intros too.
wHitedodge: Y'all doodz be so fuckin' quick!!
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: Well, if ya concentrate on da essentials without gettin' stuck with twiddlin' aroond like all of them compowinner clowncrews do.
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: But y'all be now in Mahti. What be y'alls handles?
mR.mEgAsTuFf: Whatta fuck?
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: Okey, so yar WHATTA FUCK of MAHTI.
wHitedodge: What should that there handle be like?
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: All da same, as long as it's as far as possible from da pseudo-artistic poser names all da clown crews have.
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: Like, don't take anythang like fuckin' JMagic or ELECTRON or wArlord or mR.mEgAsTuFf...
mR.mEgAsTuFf: Krhm...
PORKKALA: Anythang that's in Finnish is good. Even if it dinna have a single Ä or Ö.
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: Yeah, them there English-language wannabe posings won't even work as jokes anymaw.
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: Just say da first word dat comes to yar mind and it's hundred times better than hundred JMagics combined.
mR.mEgAsTuFf: I dare to disagree a bit 'bout those Finnish-language handles...
wHitedodge: I could be like... err, like KILJUPÖNTTÖ!!!
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: Okey, so yar KILJUPÖNTTÖ. So what aboot ya there?
kHanatik: I could be VORNAS-HEIKKI.
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: Okey...
DiCKiNSTASiA: If yar VORNAS-HEIKKI, then I'd be FOREST GOAT!!!
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: So, FOREST GOAT. Yeah, that's a good one.
wArlord: Would VALMET 605 be Finnish enuff?
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: At least there's just da right kinda MAHTI attitude there. Yar now VALMET 605.
mAkaron: I could be like PASTAVAARI 'cause my real handle is PC:MAKARON...
mR.mEgAsTuFf: Ain't workin' for me at all, that humor of yars...
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: What aboot takin' some kilju, WHATTA FUCK, so ya wouldna need to be so uptight all da time...
mR.mEgAsTuFf: Yeah, drinkin' kilju was actually what I came out here for...
YRJÖMESTARI: These be made be us accordin' to that file y'all made!
mR.mEgAsTuFf: Okay, I think ya said it already...
mR.mEgAsTuFf: (glug glug)
mR.mEgAsTuFf: It's really tasty for real!!
wArlord: (glug glug)
wArlord: Yeah, y'all made to follow the instructions very well! Ended up better than any of my own kiljus...
mR.mEgAsTuFf: We could like compare da tastes at some party and like set up a vote 'bout whose kilju was da best!
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: Yeah, some jokeful kiljuvote would be some good shout-out to all da dumb chartvotes all da clown crews got.
PORKKALA: Was it tuff to ride to da party with a tractor, specially in winter?
mR.mEgAsTuFf: It was tuff for sure! Cold like here there in da trailer dammit...
kHanatik: Additionally, the length of our journey doubled due to a map-reading mistake.
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: Da radiator in our car broke up there in da Kuopio motorway... took us many hours afore we could go back to ridin'.
YRJÖMESTARI: It's helluva cold weathers for sure...
DRBLOOD: Huh-huh, I would say that the PC kids have had it really easy with travellin' to this party.
FUCKSUCKER: Right, the new generation ain't nearly as classy as the eighties elite... at the Black Quartz Party, in, err...
LAZERCODE: Eighty-eight.
FUCKSUCKER: Right, eighty-eight. All the boat trips, and gettin' robbed, and all that, none of these today's lamers -
mR.mEgAsTuFf: We already heard 'bout that Black Quartz Party from some guys inside. So, fuckin' come up with sump'n more original!
RAZORSTORM: Yeah, we already enlighted 'em with SPHINX.
FUCKSUCKER: Where did y'all come from anyway? Maybe someplace as far as Sonkajärvi...
DRBLOOD: Right, bwahahah!
RAZORSTORM: They're from someplace like Kouvola, them there MAHTI lamers.
YRJÖMESTARI: Vuolenkoski...
DRBLOOD: PC lamers have so painfully lame teams nowadays. Like some MAHTI... can't even make a proper jokegroup anymaw!
RAZORSTORM: Yeah, a crew for just the kinda folks who tried to get to HiRMU but wasn't even taken in!!
PÄÄNRÄÄKKÄÄJÄ: Well, we wouldn't join HiRMU even if y'all paid us dmamit! We're MAHTI!!!
MÄRKÄKYRPÄ: MAHTI!!!
YRJÖMESTARI: MAHTI!!!
wHitedodge: MAHTI!!!
MASA: MAHTI!!!
RAZORSTORM: Them new guys were somewhere more nearby...
kHanatik: Affirmative, we are from Lietevesi.
FUCKSUCKER: No fuckin' way!
DATAPIMP: Well, look at that.
DRBLOOD: So, there was a new team after C.O.P. after all.
kHanatik: We received a mandate from cULT oF pOWER to continue their work as the most elite crew of Lietevesi.
DATAPIMP: And yer even talkin' standard Finnish the same way as mINDeAGLE!
LAZERCODE: I take C.O.P. members told y'all that we came afore 'em, that we gave our mission forward to them the same way.
kHanatik: So, you are CGK, I presume?
DRBLOOD: It looks like that ye were properly informed 'bout the history of Lietevesi scene.
wHitedodge: Wowwww!! CGK!!! Y'all exist for real!! We thought y'all would've been just a legend!!
mR.mEgAsTuFf: Fuckin' dummy, we've seen their prods, and even played C64 games cracked by 'em!!!
wHitedodge: Oh, yeah, right...
LAZERCODE: It's a bit cold here by the way. What aboot goin' at my place and continue there? I live like a kilometre away...
FUCKSUCKER: So, ye planned to call them there lamers to yer place?
LAZERCODE: Gosh-dammit there, Lietevesi is always Lietevesi!
DRBLOOD: Yeah, it's good to make sure that the group-to-group chain is intact.
FUCKSUCKER: But ye shouldna invite them Vuolenkoski clowns there dammit!!
LAZERCODE: Surely not... but Lietevesi!
mAkaron: What aboot us two, 'cause we're from Kuopio...
FUCKSUCKER: We're not gonna take no Kuopio lamers either!! Lietevesi-only!!
...
LAZERCODE: Do take some homeburned. Or we could also mix it to that kilju of yers.
DRBLOOD: So, this was that 97-percent stuff?
DATAPIMP: Yeah. I've been practicin' some chemistry and we compete with some other crews aboot who can make tighter moonshine...
wArlord: Where are the C.O.P. guys by the way? Are they even at the party?
DRBLOOD: Are we s'posed to know that?
FUCKSUCKER: They're here... but they vanished to finish their demo right after they got their banner hanged in the hall.
DRBLOOD: Yeah, they always waste the whole Friday for finishing their demo.
FUCKSUCKER: It such an uptight fuss with them, like the rest of the "elite teams" that started in the nineties...
DATAPIMP: Yer crew was called CWU, right?
kHanatik: Affirmative. cHAOS wORLD uNKNOWN.
DATAPIMP: Wonder if y'all be of any level. Tell me first, like have y'all visited the spirit world yet?
kHanatik: We have. Additionally, Forest Goat revealed to us.
DRBLOOD: So, yer place in the Lietevesi continuum is now clear to y'all, good!
wArlord: We also went to chat with Vornas-Heikki.
DRBLOOD: Ye gotta be kiddin'!?
FUCKSUCKER: 'Twas sometime back in the nineties, the last time Heikki took in a group of school kids.
mR.mEgAsTuFf: Yeah, that OH7MO in that group, Osmo, is my uncle, who was also in da radio club that had da first computers and such of da village.
DRBLOOD: Whew-phew, at least y'all have good contacts then, despite bein' such a bunch of PC lamers.
FUCKSUCKER: And it even looks like that y'all fellas are becomin' the tuffest crew in Lietevesi in a long time!!
DRBLOOD: But take some fuckin' special care then that y'all won't get spoiled by that there PC...
wHitedodge: We've got other machines besides PC too!!
LAZERCODE: D'y'all have any C64s?
kHanatik: Yes, a few. But only a single disk drive.
wHitedodge: Ssshh...
LAZERCODE: Not everbody in our crew had a disk drive either.
kHanatik: Is that so?
LAZERCODE: Some city crews called 'em tape-lamers, 'em doods with only a tape drive, but there were some adept guys among them as well.
FUCKSUCKER: Poor families couldn't afford disk drives, but tuffer conditions made tuffer dudes...
LAZERCODE: That's why all of our C64 releases are single-loaders. That trackloader fuss of the modern C64 scene is so cheaty.
DRBLOOD: Right, some Amiga-loser stuff, them there trackloaders...
FUCKSUCKER: All ye need to knew aboot Amiga losers is that they started to buy some fuckin' AGA gear to replace their A500s!!
LAZERCODE: And they then abandonded the A500, all of 'em... there ain't no prods bein' released for OCS Amigas at all!
DRBLOOD: Fuckin' "AGA BRINGS NO TALENT"!
FUCKSUCKER: I've heard PC scene has it much worse in that area than Amiga.
DRBLOOD: Right, the 386s need to be upgraded to 486s to get them fuckin' vectorgames run without frameskips...
DRBLOOD: And once a new vectorgame comes out, them 486s must then be upgraded to some freaky multimedia Pentiums, and so forth...
FUCKSUCKER: Yeah, right, all kinda shit like that!
DRBLOOD: Y'all can quote me havin' said that the upgardin' is as totally decadent as ye can get!
FUCKSUCKER: That's the way it is. Once ye get more megahertz, ye can manage with shittier code for the same thing...
FUCKSUCKER: And once there are some fuckin' thousand-megahertz 986s, then ye can make everthang with some fuckin' Basic!!
DRBLOOD: There ain't no challenge left in the PC scene!! Lamers just get lamer all the time!!
wArlord: But could them megahertzes be useful for sumthang? Like makin' better-lookin' shadings and that.
wHitedodge: But ye don't even need any power if ye've got yer magicks in order!!
wArlord: Well, personally I don't believe in that...
wHitedodge: Well, I believe that if a guy's tuff enuff he can make like a realtime raytracer for the C64!!
LAZERCODE: Well, them there gourauds and raytraces actually are more demanding for the machine than some line-vectors, by their nature...
LAZERCODE: Although of course ye sometimes find some trick that lets ye take a shortcut or to cheat, and real optimization takes ye far too...
LAZERCODE: But that doesn't really matter for anythang if some new thing requires more power or not.
DATAPIMP: Right, ye can find new tricks and effects thru all kinds of paths, a greater computation intensity is just one possible way.
DRBLOOD: And a fuckin' lazy one to that... the other ways need a lot more creativity and trueness!!
kHanatik: I wonder if this was what cULT oF pOWER meant when talking about how the portal from the lamer reality to elite reality will be closed?
kHanatik: If PC ever gets the lead in this world, there will not be such a place for creativy, and the people will get lamer.
DRBLOOD: That's the way it is, right. Fortunately that won't ever be the case. There's always somebody who deviates from the masses...
FUCKSUCKER: Yeah, I trust this one too. Even if the scene dies, the world ain't fuckin' gonna become PC-only!
LAZERCODE: So, by all means, start using that C64 of yers, so yer there savin' the world then...
DRBLOOD: Yeah. And don't fall into the charm of them over-the-top PCs. Too much money and matter just spoils ye.
FUCKSUCKER: Right, all the really elite things are born among the poor people of the working class!
DRBLOOD: Look at that, we finally got to a bit of Communism!
FUCKSUCKER: C.O.P. guys got spoiled by their AGA snobbery a bit too much and they're not a very worthy crew anymaw.
DRBLOOD: Yeah, they're still takin' that there crew-against-crew competition too seriously, as if it were the meaning of the whole scene...
FUCKSUCKER: Right. Ye should realize it early enough, that the competition of superiority between crews is total bluff in most cases.
LAZERCODE: Yeah, it's just a means for gettin' better, yer not s'posed to take it so seriously.
FUCKSUCKER: Lamers reckon that the elite-lamer hierarchy would be somehow tight... and the true elite are them who've realized that it ain't.
DRBLOOD: For real, half of the so-called lamecrews the elite crews are better to are some fake crews.
DRBLOOD: Their members are always in some so-called more serious teams too. That HiRMU in the PC scene is an example of that.
FUCKSUCKER: Yeah, fakecrews are like a kinda safety valve the folks use to release the prods they wouldna dare to release otherwise...
FUCKSUCKER: And I'd say it's a fuckin' necessary one! Alternatives would get untried if the crews avoid 'em because of some snobbery.
wHitedodge: But err, is it a real thang then, that the C64 can get ye to harded magicks than Amiga or PC?
LAZERCODE: Absolutely. C64 ain't completely digital, it lets ye even to the quantum level...
LAZERCODE: I could actually tell y'all a thang, like just between us Lietevesi folks. If it's okey for the rest of the crew?
DATAPIMP: Ye mean that future floppy thang?
LAZERCODE: Yeah.
DRBLOOD: I reckon they've proven that they're ready to hear it. So, please tell it.
FUCKSUCKER: Yeah, that's okey for me too.
LAZERCODE: Okey then... take rounds from this joint and listen to me.
LAZERCODE: A couple of years ago, there was some data corruption startin' to take place in one of my floppies.
LAZERCODE: There were some wrong characters in the directory listin'...
LAZERCODE: But it was no ordinary corruption, that would've spread more evenly on specific sectors.
LAZERCODE: In the next days, there were more and more toggled bits.
LAZERCODE: I then reckoned that I wouldna write nuffin to the floppy anymaw and just look what'd form there.
LAZERCODE: And in a few weeks a new file had appeared on the floppy.
LAZERCODE: Wait a minute, I'll find the copy of it and show it to y'all...
DATAPIMP: It was a totally unbelievable demo, the one that appeared on the floppy.
DRBLOOD: And still is...
LAZERCODE: We studied it quite intensely with DATAPIMP with the Action Replay monitor.
DATAPIMP: Yeah. One of the first thangs we found there was a message...
LAZERCODE: ... written by me. In the future, in the 2030s.
DATAPIMP: At that time there will be a kinda quantum writer gears that can like rectoactively change the magnetic fields in diskettes.
LAZERCODE: And I had made that program sometime in the future and then saved it on that disk with that kind a quantum gear.
DATAPIMP: And the demo and its code were sump'n really cosmic!
LAZERCODE: Now it's startin' up, look at this...
mR.mEgAsTuFf: WHATTA FUCK???
wHitedodge: WOWWWW!!!!!
DRBLOOD: It ain't naw PC-chunky imitation, but sump'n totally of its own!
kHanatik: Indeed.
DRBLOOD: It also proves that the current PC effect trend is just a temporary abasement of the C64 scene and not any real progress...
FUCKSUCKER: Yeah, like the trend of only releasin' demos for party compos... SCENE WILL FUCKIN' DIE if stuff gets only released for compos!!
LAZERCODE: We dinna find out nuffin aboot how that proggy would've even be s'posed to work.
DATAPIMP: And we couldna even rip the code.
DATAPIMP: Every time we changed some parts of memory that the code dinna even touch, the effect got all messed up, lost all of its magicks.
DATAPIMP: So, the whole code depended on some delicate quantum stability that got messed when there was a wrong bit at the other end of the memory...
LAZERCODE: C64 code is gonna progress helluva lots durin' the next few decades.
DATAPIMP: That message somehow obscurely said that sometime there's gonna be a kinda neural AIs to assist people even in C64 codin'...
DATAPIMP: And they've then found some totally mind-boggling anomalies in every chip, and some pig-esoteric tricks...
DATAPIMP: And I take it depends a lot on all kindsa edge-of-memory contents if ye can take them chips to them anomalies or not.
LAZERCODE: It's so ultimately magickal code that human mind couldna make nuffin outta it!
LAZERCODE: But I've been studyin' it now and tried to understand that in order to replicate even some part of it for some of our own demos...
LAZERCODE: Once I can make it some day, then there's gonna be such a CGK partyrelease that'll rewrite all the chronicles of the world!!!
DRBLOOD: At least I believe we're gonna make it!
wHitedodge: WOOWWWW WHATTA ELITE STORY!!!
mR.mEgAsTuFf: Wouldna that be cheatin'? Like rippin' code from da future version of yarself, da kinda code ya don't know how to make yet...
kHanatik: It feels to me like that as well. Additionally, there are ethical problems in messing the timeline.
DRBLOOD: Well, we're been reckonin' aboot this and we came to the conclusion that there be no problems.
FUCKSUCKER: Even if the code were from the future, it's still from our team, so nobody can afford to complain aboot it.
kHanatik: But you still do not possess the equipment or skills one needs to make it.
FUCKSUCKER: Who cares aboot that, in the eighties all the data ye could find anywhere was free to use, as long as ye got the credits right!
DRBLOOD: Yeah, it's again some Amiga-loser invention that everthang should be made by yerself. Such a useless artificial limitation.
FUCKSUCKER: What is the most important is that the prod works in the stock C64. If it works, then lamers can't afford to complain 'bout ethics!
FUCKSUCKER: Ye can quote me when I say that THE SCENE WILL DIE from concentrating on that kinda irrelevant fuss instead of true perfectionism!!
FUCKSUCKER: Folks limit what they're doing 'cause it ain't "right" or some shit like that, and that'll reduce the possibilities...
DATAPIMP: Exavctly! Bit combinations are fuckin' bit combinations! THEY'RE ALL ETHICAL AND PERMISSIBLE TO USE! EVERY ONE OF 'EM!
kHanatik: But could it still be that if you rip code from your future version, you would cause a fateful time paradox?
kHanatik: At least in a case where you will eventually not have the motivation to send your code back to the past.
DRBLOOD: There's a possibility for that kinda paradox, yeah. That's why we're tryin' to make sure it won't take place.
LAZERCODE: At least I for my part am just tryin' to strengthen the likelihood of that 2030s timeline takin' place.
LAZERCODE: I've sworn to myself that I won't throw a single floppy away until there be them quantum gear and I've done with that copyin'.
LAZERCODE: And that I'm gonna stay as an active C64 user and improve my skills no matter what kinda treasures popped up from the future...
LAZERCODE: ... so, I'd nevertheless be able to make that demo in the 2030s no matter what.
DATAPIMP: Actually that could produce a kinda singularity of skills, if the skills and code got more advanced every cycle...
DRBLOOD: Yeah, we'd finally get a worldfirst for CGK! None of the other crews' would have such a skill singularity in use!
kHanatik: Do you believe the C64 to be the only computer that could facilitate this kind of utilization of a temporal dislocation?
DATAPIMP: Some believe it's like that. Some others reckon it might be possible with some Amiga or PC floppies as well...
DATAPIMP: But Amiga or PC don't necessarily live as long as the C64, or at least their floppies won't. So it's a better shot to choose the C64.
wHitedodge: Should we swear the same stuff for us too? So we could also get some supermagickal code from the future for our use!!
FUCKSUCKER: At least I could recommend that to y'all.
DRBLOOD: Yeah, even for the sake of the Lietevesi sage continuum, it is absolutely necessary for you to become true sceners and stay that way.
FUCKSUCKER: Y'all might have the potential to become the elitest theam ever of the whole Lietevesi scene, to surpass us by a long shot...
FUCKSUCKER: As long as y'all recall to BEWARE THAT THERE PC AND ITS FLUFFY CONSUMER SHIT AND OTHER TEMPTATIONS!
DRBLOOD: If y'all ever use a PC, then at least SAY A FUCKIN' STEEP NO to all the upgrade shit and other AGA and PC lameness!
kHanatik: At least I am going to swear, for the whole honour of Lietevesi, that nothing shall ever shake my trueness!
wHitedodge: Me too, goddammit!!
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