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========= C00LeS WaReZ UNiON * HiSToRiCaL mEmOiRZ * cHApTeR #0x3C =========
DaTE: 1995-08-06 aT aBoUT 16:30
LoCATi0N: dA hUT oF oH7Mo, hAUtAtAIpALE, LieteVedEN kUnTA, FiNLAND
PrESeNT: dArK sTuFfEr / C00LeS WaReZ UNiON myXTer (fORMERLy WoRLD HeR0 / CWU, bANiSheD mEMbAH) oSMo "oH7Mo" kÄRkkÄiNeN / sOmE tRUe oLDsCHOOL RaDIO cLuB
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OH7MO: Howdy there boys. Have ye Sam gotten again to be buddies with that there Jyri?
myXTer: Well, we've actually been that all the time.
myXTer: We've just been meetin' in secret 'cause Mega had told other members to stay away from me.
OH7MO: Righty-right then there.
dArK sTuFfEr: We came here now especially 'cause we've been a bit worried aboot that there Mega.
dArK sTuFfEr: And there's gonna be a kinda power transfer ritual between CWU and COP tomorrow in Vääräpää...
dArK sTuFfEr: And it might be good for us to go thru all these afore we go there.
dArK sTuFfEr: Or, I mean I go there, Sam of course needs to stay home 'cause he's expelled.
myXTer: Yeah, you Osmo shouldna tell anybody either that I was visitin' here with Jyri. At least Mega would burst to a terrible rage.
OH7MO: What did y'all have in mind then?
dArK sTuFfEr: We've been reckonin' if Mega has gotten some influence from Reijo 'cause he's become more nazi somehow.
dArK sTuFfEr: And should we try to change the leader in our crew afore Mega gets to spoil its mission.
dArK sTuFfEr: It was a clear mistake from Mega to expel Sam, 'cause Sam after all was the operator of our other primary board, and -
OH7MO: What mission did ye tawk aboot?
dArK sTuFfEr: We should maybe ask ye aboot it, 'cause ye were the one who started the chain where the power over Lietevesi junior high has moved from a crew to the next...
OH7MO: So, I've gotten made sump'n like that then?
dArK sTuFfEr: Whatta hell, don't ye know for real?
OH7MO: Well, if I've ever heard aboot that afore, then they've told it to me in some different way.
dArK sTuFfEr: C.O.P. members reckon that we're part of a continuum that started in ages immemorial when there were the sage families Koljonen and Vornanen...
OH7MO: Oh, right, heheh, I've also been jokingly reckonin' that we in our radio club were like modern sages or sump'n.
OH7MO: Who was the one who tawked that to y'all?
dArK sTuFfEr: That mINDeAGLE from C.O.P, that is, errr, Juho Koljonen.
OH7MO: Yeah, might very well be that Koljonen's boy's been havin' his own stories there! It's the way in their family to boost everthang a bit.
OH7MO: I heard that sometime afore Winter War there was a householder called Yrjö Koljonen in Vääräpää, who made himself a kinda sage reputation.
OH7MO: Visited the graveyard to dig some bones, and he even had a human skull and all kindsa other requisities...
OH7MO: He used them to put up a kind of "spell room" where he called all kinds of superstitious folks in for healin'.
OH7MO: Got a lot of extra money! And robbers stayed away too, 'cause they were fearin' that Yrjö would cast some curses over 'em!
myXTer: Yeah, my mum had also heard that kinda story somewhere, but the hero there was Urho Hirvonen...
dArK sTuFfEr: Whatta hell? Ye mean Darkie's late grampa?
myXTer: Yeah.
dArK sTuFfEr: But they're all some layman Christians, the whole family!?
dArK sTuFfEr: It's like helluva hard to believe that they'd go for any witchcraft!
OH7MO: It happens quite often that the kids take some distance from their parents' woo-woo.
OH7MO: I've also heard about family Hirvonen that they'd got all kindsa secrets...
dArK sTuFfEr: That really gives some hope that Darkie would start questioning that there Christianity of his at some point...
OH7MO: Yeah, folks always start questionin' stuff when young, so I guess Jussi might too.
dArK sTuFfEr: But well, yeah.
dArK sTuFfEr: There's still another thang we've been worried aboot in Mega.
dArK sTuFfEr: He was usin' the Hönttölä board machine to call the Internet afore goin' to Helsinki, and gathered quite a big bill for that connection.
dArK sTuFfEr: And that bill from this summer is gonna come in a bit over a week -
OH7MO: So, all the way to the Internet.
myXTer: Was he after that there Tarnel?
dArK sTuFfEr: Mostly after her, yeah, even though he still ain't still gettin' very much response from her.
dArK sTuFfEr: Luckily he's been now a month in Helsinki and gotten to IRC there to his heart's content.
OH7MO: Err, who is this "Tarnel" anyway?
myXTer: She's one 17-year-old girl...
OH7MO: All right, heh heh, so there's girls there too! Are there many of 'em?
dArK sTuFfEr: Not a very big portion yet but quite a moderate one, yeah.
OH7MO: Exactly!
OH7MO: The folks' been tawkin' a lot that this "information superhighway" would be breakin' thru even among common folks and that'd increase the girls too.
OH7MO: But count on me when I'm sayin' that most of the folks won't ever learn to use any Unix or VMS!
OH7MO: I've been followin' that development when they bought computers to the Lietevesi school and tried to teach BASIC to normal folks' kids...
myXTer: You don't necessarily have to know any commands anymore...
OH7MO: Is that so?
myXTer: Freenet's got very easy menus!
myXTer: And now there's these graphical WWW browsers too, that dial automatically and you prolly don't need to even see any texts...
dArK sTuFfEr: Fuckin' WWW!
dArK sTuFfEr: All the fuckin' local newspapers have stuff aboot Internet nowadays. And every fuckin' time it always means only WWW!
dArK sTuFfEr: Which ain't even used by any cool dudes!
myXTer: Yeah, I don't really believe it's gonna succeed.
myXTer: It's just a fashionable crap where all posh university folks make those "home pages" for a while and it gets forgotten in a few years.
OH7MO: Yeah, I've also felt that they're rippin' the money outta rich dummies and even some poorer ones also!
OH7MO: So far I ain't trusted no computer that's got a mouse interface, and I never will, goddammit!
OH7MO: I reckon y'all boys still use Dos?
dArK sTuFfEr: Yeah... all the board software's also for Dos...
myXTer: I'm actually usin' Desqview when I've gotta run PCBoard at the same time as other programs...
OH7MO: Well, guess that won't make the system that much more complex.
OH7MO: But I just need to warn y'all, that don't y'all boys ever touch any Windows!
OH7MO: That'll take the control away from the user and sends it behind the ocean to the Microsoft headquarters...
dArK sTuFfEr: Yeah, we ain't fuckin' gonna touch any Windows, especially not that fuckin' ninety-five all the dumbest dudes in GateNet always brag aboot!
OH7MO: Oh, so it's released already...
dArK sTuFfEr: I guess it ain't released yet, but they've got some kind of alpha version of it as a warez release since the spring already.
OH7MO: Yeah, y'all really shouldna go into that! Stay as true Dos men, so y'all can keep even some kind of touch with how the machine works!
OH7MO: Although it's easy nowadays, 'cause y'all don't hafta touch solderin' iron to get a computer...
OH7MO: Y'all can just walk into the store and buy a factory-made computer!
OH7MO: And somebody's already made all the programs too for all possible thangs...
dArK sTuFfEr: Well, right...
OH7MO: But that I should warn y'all aboot that if them Internets really are gonna get more popular among common folk and rich dummies...
OH7MO: Then the connection costs might start to rise to quite high levels!
myXTer: Yeah, Picture Planet has already raised its costs...
dArK sTuFfEr: Yeah, luckily when I visited Kuopio I got an account for myself to that Unix machine in the university...
myXTer: So, you used the GateNet users' trick there?
dArK sTuFfEr: Yeah... I can easily cancel my Picture account until at least next spring.
myXTer: Great then, pity that I'm not goin' to Kuopio anytime soon, as I might also wanna one of those...
dArK sTuFfEr: Well, ain't ye gonna go to Helsinki soon? So, try the same trick there?
myXTer: I guess the folks in Helsinki might be more indifferent about that, 'cause there might be more folks tryin' things like that...
myXTer: But I guess it might still be worth trying.
OH7MO: You're probably still paying Tele's per-minute costs?
myXTer: Yeah...
myXTer: By the way, did you already manage to get some documents about that new digital center, so that we might be able to remove the costs?
OH7MO: I did ask sump'n aboot that, yeah...
OH7MO: But feels like that system's got a higher level of protection, so it's gonna need sump'n harder than tone tricks to fool it...
myXTer: It might even be easy if you find out how...
OH7MO: Well, maybe, maybe, but dunno if it's worthy to try it anymaw.
OH7MO: 'Cause nowadays they always know at the center who does what from which subscriber line and they store that in their log files.
OH7MO: So, y'all should try from somebody else's line or maybe the phonebooth in the town at night.
OH7MO: Durin' the analog times they only stored the number of pulses and even that just for gettin' the phonebills straight.
myXTer: Yeah, that might end up a bit difficult...
OH7MO: But if y'all wanna get rid of the high prices of Post and Telegraph Agency, I might wanna recommend one solution to y'all.
OH7MO: That is, get into amateur radio stuff!
OH7MO: Y'all won't need to fool the system in a different way anymaw, 'cause y'all can create yer own replacement system.
myXTer: But I heard there's only old cranks there?
OH7MO: There's still plenty of youth there... and also folks of my age, thirty-five ain't near to old yet!
myXTer: Compared to us...
OH7MO: Oh, yeah, right, heheh.
OH7MO: But if ye get interested for real, then I might have some old course materials or some textbooks ye can read the basics from.
OH7MO: Morse code is the most important skill they check in the examinations afore ye get to transmit...
myXTer: I heard in some board from somebody that there'd be a kinda packet radio network that could be used for computer data...
myXTer: So, we could like write messages and transfer files there.
OH7MO: Yeah, at least in Kuopio and maybe also in Iisalmi they've got packet radio BBSes ye can connect with a radio modem...
myXTer: Right, that sounds extremely interesting really!
OH7MO: I might go to dig my stuff now...
myXTer: Don't go yet! There's still one computational question left...
OH7MO: Well?
myXTer: 'Cause you said that Dos and Desqview are allowed by Windows ain't, then what about Linux then?
OH7MO: Well, I'm nobody to deny nuffin' from y'all, but ain't that Linux like Unix?
OH7MO: Is that anyway useful elsewhere than mainframes and servers?
OH7MO: Does it let an ordinary user even use the hardware or is it mandatory to use the routines built in the operating system?
myXTer: Well, our board machines are a kinda servers in fact...
OH7MO: Oh, right, exactly.
OH7MO: Well, that might be okay for that then, if y'all have multiple users using the same machine for real.
OH7MO: But don't ever put any Unix in any ordinary one man's computer!
OH7MO: It's far too complicated for one person's use, and it'll take all the control of the computer away.
OH7MO: It always automatically does all kindsa thangs that are just in the way in a personal computer...
myXTer: Yeah, right. Just thought about it 'cause Dos is quite limited, it lacks multitasking or unified drivers, and the memory management is from arse...
OH7MO: Yeah, well, look at it and decide by yerselves.
OH7MO: But at least I've always appreciated if the user knows every single detail in the machine and always know what it does and when!
OH7MO: When I was younger I had this principle that I always made the programs myself even if there'd been ready-made ones!
OH7MO: Usin' programs made by other folks would've given too much power to them there other folks...
OH7MO: Later on I started to be a bit more flexible aboot it, when I considered where it's actually worthy to use time and where not.
myXTer: Allright.
OH7MO: In our times we really needed the skill, 'cause there was nuffin' ready-made!
OH7MO: I guess I sometime told to ye too, Jyri, that we also made music back in the seventies...
OH7MO: Made theremins and synthesizers all ourselves.
dArK sTuFfEr: Yeah, I guess ye mentioned it...
OH7MO: Back then maybe half of the backwaters fellas played in some rautalanka bands...
OH7MO: But we in the radio club reckoned that it dinna need any real talent!
OH7MO: We wanted to be better than 'em, so we made some electric gear of our own, and that's what every chap dinna know how to do!
myXTer: Ain't it other way around nowadays?
dArK sTuFfEr: Yeah, nowadays all the morons reckon that computer music is always made by just pushin' a single button!
dArK sTuFfEr: And that the real instruments are where ye need some real skill.
dArK sTuFfEr: I've been trying to compensate it by tryin' to make the kinda computer music that sounds as real as possible.
dArK sTuFfEr: Like, as if made with real instruments such as the electric guitar -
OH7MO: What would made that there electric guitar any more real? It's electricity goin' there anyway?
dArK sTuFfEr: But it's different 'cause it can't be programmed, ye hafta play in realtime -
OH7MO: In our time it would've been dirty business to use computers for mimickin' some old world music!
OH7MO: We reckoned that synthesizers and microprocessors liberate us from the chains of the acoustic world...
OH7MO: And can make the kinda totally new and never-heard-before that wouldna need to be anyway like the old world music.
OH7MO: Erkki Kurenniemi in Helsinki also reckoned like this, and we admired so much them there digital synthesizers of his...
OH7MO: And we wanted to make one on our own as well, once we'd first get a microprocessor from somewhere.
OH7MO: It's so easy with y'all today's youth, havin' everthang ready-made...
dArK sTuFfEr: Well, I've also been makin' chiptunes...
dArK sTuFfEr: There ye hafta get the filesize as small as possible, so ye can't use any big samples. All the drums and others to as minimalistic as possible...
dArK sTuFfEr: The lead instruments there are usually some drawn waveforms there and not really even sampled from anyplace.
OH7MO: Although I don't get all these terms y'all today's youth use, I've gotta say that sounds like the more right-minded kind of electronic music!
OH7MO: Y'know boys, would y'all wanna try out that theremin of mine?
OH7MO: That'd be a kinda fully electronic instrument that needs quite a lot of skill to play...
OH7MO: It's played like in realtime, or what word did ye Jyri use.
dArK sTuFfEr: Yeah, in realtime...
myXTer: I guess I've already tried it sometime before.
OH7MO: Yeah, can be, but at least Jyri could try it out now.
OH7MO: Wait a minute and lemme connect the wires...
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